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Consultation on school, early years and 14-16 funding 2008-11Consultation Response Form The closing date for this consultation is: 1 June 2007 |
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Please tick one of the boxes below that best describes you as a respondent
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Local Authority |
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Schools Forum |
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Joint LA and Schools Forum |
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Headteacher Association |
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Teacher or Support Staff Union |
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School Leader |
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School Governor |
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Bursar/School Business Manager |
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Other School Staff |
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Early Years Provider |
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14-19 Provider |
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14-19 Partnership |
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Parent |
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Pupil or student |
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Other (please specify) |
Please Specify: Hampshire County Council |
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Which Local Authority area do you come under?
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If you are a school respondent, please tick as appropriate
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Special |
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If you are an early years provider, which setting are you from?
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Early Years Providers - Private |
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Early Years Provider - Voluntary |
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Children's Centre |
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CHAPTER 2: THE DISTRIBUTION OF DSG TO LOCAL AUTHORITIES
Page 12, para 23
1 Do you agree that the 'proportionality test' should be removed from the criteria used by local authorities and Schools Forums to decide whether there should be a contribution from the centrally retained Schools Budget to local authority combined services budgets in support of ECM outcomes?
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Strongly agree |
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Agree |
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Neither agree nor disagree |
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Disagree |
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: This proposal is to be strongly welcomed in encouraging more partnership working for local authorities and their schools to deliver the Every Child Matters agenda. |
Page 21, para 41
2 Which method of distribution would you prefer for the period 2008-11: Spend plus or single formula?
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Spend plus |
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Single Formula |
Comments: There are still significant concerns about the principles of Spend Plus where the formula is based on ministerial judgement. The County Council and Schools Forum supports this in the short term but has significant concerns over a political distribution methodology, and seeks a clearer and more open approach which better represents the Local Government Association principles for defining an appropriate distribution methodology for a specific grant.
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Page 23, para 49
3 Should we move the pupil number count used for Dedicated Schools Grant allocations from January back to the preceding autumn?
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Strongly agree |
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Agree |
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Neither agree nor disagree |
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Disagree |
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: Any system using pupil numbers for funding purposes must fairly reflect the number of pupils which authorities provide for. This means that when the number of children receiving education differs significantly over the year a suitable mid-point should be the basis of funding. In respect of the Early Years provision the Early Years Census in January provides this but an autumn count would not. In those authorities (including Hampshire) where the pupils numbers used for DSG purposes would be reduced noticeably the whole system would be at risk. The Early Years Entitlement would still exist but could only be funded by reducing school budgets and that would be constrained by the minimum funding guarantee. Thus at the very least January numbers still need to be used for Early Years. The consultation paper does consider a hybrid using January early years numbers, but with a one year lag, and an autumn count for all other ages. The comments below address that possibility but conclude that because of the highly destabilising impact on early years funding, a move to an autumn pupil count for any pupils is undesirable. The proposal to move the pupil count for DSG allocations from the preceding January to the preceding autumn term has attractions if it would increase certainty to local authorities as they plan budgets . However, to implement this significant change alongside a move to three year budgets is considered to carry risks. These risks include : · the lack of time to resolve any data quality issues in the first year of a new approach to pupil numbers; · system problems as there is substantial evidence of a September/ October peak in problems and support calls; · the unfamiliarity of primary schools with a national data collection exercise at this time; · the need to change behaviours and culture to ensure that schools give the autumn count the focus that the January count already has; · unmodelled and unintended redistribution effects; · potential conflicts between financial impact and admissions policies as regard autumn term part timers; · changes to school and authority data systems could be needed in a short timescale; · imbalance with a January Early Years Census. Accordingly although further examination of any use of an autumn count to apply from 2011 onwards would provide time for many of these risks to be eliminated or managed, it is our belief that the destabilising impact on the early years funding and the lack of advantage form the point of view of time line for budget share allocations, means that the County Council and the Schools Forum favour retaining a January pupil count for all. |
Page 26, para 61
4 In the long term, which method of counting under 5s would you prefer: headcount or provision based?
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Headcount |
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Provision based |
Comments: As indicated above any Early Years count which does not reflect a reasonable mid point for the year as a whole would be very destabilising. Thus these comments are based on the premise that a January count applies. These changes need modelling. The potential impact on local authorities from these changes is unknown. The entitlement will be changing from 12½ hours a week for 38 weeks to 15 hours a week for 38 weeks, taken up flexibly. The implications of this are currently being tested in 20 local authorities, including Hampshire, in a pathfinder project with the DfES prior to national implementation by 2010. It is important to learn the lessons from these before changing the system. Furthermore a link was established in the new school funding arrangements in 2005 between funding from the DfES to local authorities and from local authorities to their schools and providers. Currently in Hampshire there is a diversity, with Reception funded on the PLASC (effectively a headcount) basis and a mixture of place (provision) and pupil numbers termly (claims basis, effectively head count). Whilst PLASC pupil numbers for Reception is probably common practice across the country it is likely that there will be varying practices for the rest of under fives. Accordingly the practicality and desirability of a consistent link between national and local practice in respect of early years needs careful examination. The preferred approach is the headcount one as this is less disruptive and accords with the main local funding approaches. Any provision based approach as regards maintained pupils would produce real extra costs in adapting systems to accommodate the extra data that would have to be collected and stored. This would apply at both school and authority level. Any potential benefits from a change to provision based funding for maintained school under 5s, including Reception, are unclear. Whilst the entitlement changes are being piloted no changes to the current system should be made. The consultation paper refers to the fact that currently those authorities, like Hampshire, which are building up their early years participation rates are funded on the basis of an assumed 90% participation rate for three year olds. It is not clear whether this will continue over the 2008-2011 period but if it ceased it would disrupt funding for both early years and schools as it distributed money away from these authorities. Accordingly its retention is advocated. |
Page 28, para 71
5 Which method of transferring funding for academies should we use the current method or the recoupment method?
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Recoupment |
Comments: It seems that the recoupment method will better avoid local anomalies and should be supported. There has to be a more general concern at the noticeably higher costs of academies for instance in 2006/07 an additional £33.3m from the national total for DSG was required. In order to ensure that the general funds for all pupils is not unduly squeezed, there is a need to demonstrate that funds for the higher costs are transferred into DSG from elsewhere within the DfES cash limit. |
Page 28, para 72
6 Should pupils at academies for whom individually assigned SEN resources are allocated, be included on form 8B?
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Strongly agree |
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Neither agree nor disagree |
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: Providing additional funds are moved into DSG from elsewhere within the Department's expenditure limit. |
Page 31, para 81
7 Should we consider using geographical based indicators such as Acorn and Mosaic in the distribution of DSG?
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Strongly agree |
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Agree |
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Neither agree nor disagree |
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Disagree |
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: The full methodology for the ACORN and the other commercial data is not likely to be disclosed. On this basis its use can't be modelled or tested, it isn't tried in terms of its long term viability. Local evidence did not support these as being worthwhile for our own distributions to schools in preference to IMD. |
Page 31, para 81
8 Are there other deprivation indicators that we could consider?
Comments: There should be some proposals to develop measures of rural deprivation which pick up the issues of sparsity and pockets of such deprivation which could work in a formula model. |
Page 32, para 84
9 Should we seek to target funding at pockets of deprivation in less deprived authorities?
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Neither agree nor disagree |
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Disagree |
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: It is key to ensure the basic amount per pupil is set at an appropriate level. As such the view that more needs to be done to recognise incidence of deprivation within affluent areas is supported. This should be done through a higher basic amount referred to in option two as the threshold basis, and earmarking should not be extended. Funding for deprivation at school level is for local authorities and their School Forums to address. |
Page 32, para 84
10 If so, which method of distribution should we use?
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Per pupil grant |
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Threshold based |
Comments: This would be more effective in targeting terms. |
Page 33, para 87
11 Would a grant for exceptional circumstances be a helpful addition to the flexibility of the system?
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: This runs counter to the concept of three year budgets and predictability and stability and introduces a further specific grant into the system. It should not be necessary. Exceptional circumstances should generally be predictable within a three year period for the overall pupil population. |
CHAPTER 3: SCHOOL FUNDING FROM 2008-09
Page 38, para 99
12 How would you prefer the Central Expenditure Limit to be set: by the current method; or through the simpler comparison between cash increases in Dedicated Schools Grant and ISB?
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Current method |
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Cash comparison |
Comments: This would be far simpler and more transparent. |
Page 41, para 113
13 Do you agree that we should remove the asymmetry from the Minimum Funding Guarantee methodology?
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Comments: We welcome any move to simplify the MFG and therefore fully support the proposal to remove the asymmetry from the MFG methodology. |
Page 42, para 116
14 Do you agree that we should allow authorities to agree with their schools changes to the MFG methodology which affect up to 50% of their schools, as opposed to the current 20% limit?
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Comments: We fully support this proposal and agree that local authorities and their Schools Forums should be able to take decisions on variations which affect up to 50% of their schools as this allows more local flexibility which is always favourable and beneficial to schools |
Page 43, para 116
15 Are there other changes to the decision making process on MFG variations that you would like to see considered - such as requiring there to be a majority of both primary and secondary school representatives in favour of a proposal?
Comments: We do not support the proposal to require there to be a majority of both primary and secondary school representatives in favour of a proposal. We believe this would work against the notion that each Schools Forum acts in order to reach decisions which are in the best interests of all maintained schools. There are no other changes to the decision making process on MFG variations that we would like to see considered. |
Page 44, para 122
16 Should we continue with the 1% headroom between the MFG and DSG minimum increase or should we reduce the margin?
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1% headroom |
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Reduce margin |
Comments: As a local authority that has been at the minimum level of DSG and had low levels of deprivation funding, a lower minimum increase in DSG will be unhelpful to us and our schools. We would want to be able to maximise the amount of headroom available to deliver funding into local needs and priorities and so we support leaving the headroom margin at 1%. |
Page 45, para 126
17 Do you agree that the assessment of cost pressures feeding into the MFG should take account of efficiency savings, and thus lead to a lower level of MFG?
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Comments: We recognise the arguments for taking account of efficiency savings in the assessment of cost pressures, but can see little linkage between efficiency and the areas covered and the reason for having the MFG so it doesn't present itself as an appropriate mechanism to deliver the anticipated outcome. |
Page 45, para 126
18 Should we go further than this, and reduce the MFG to below average cost pressures in the second and subsequent years of the CSR?
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Comments: We would like to minimise the cost of MFG and maximise the headroom available to direct to local priorities. We are confident that we had meaningful and non anomalous protection measures in place before MFG. The MFG has created a new round of local anomalies without improving funding systems. We would like to see a phased and planned reduction in the level of MFG leading ultimately to its removal. Whilst firmly of the view that the overall DSG must more than fully cover all identified cost pressures, we wish to maximize local flexibility. In that context we would therefore support the proposal to set MFG below average cost pressures and would like to see it set as low as possible. |
Page 48, para 135
19 Would a levy on balances and extra guidance be effective in reducing the current level of excessive balances?
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: In fact primary and special schools in Hampshire already operate this type of approach voluntarily, by foregoing interest on balances for use in other budgets, and this is the case elsewhere so this change is unlikely to introduce new approaches. The measures introduced in April 2007 need to be given sufficient time to have an impact and then the position should be reviewed. A levy on balances is therefore not supported. It will however be critical that future levels of DfES funding (a particular cause of balances has been various additional grant top ups) are more certain over the medium term and announced early in the financial cycle as late announcements of extra funds tend to increase balances. |
Page 49, para 139
20 Should we amend the Schools Forum regulations so that other members of school senior management teams, including Bursars, can be elected as schools members?
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: There are real issues as to their accountability to the whole community of schools. If such a measure was proceeded with they would have to be approved by the whole community of headteachers and a reporting mechanism to that group adopted. |
Page 49, para 142
21 Do you agree that all local authorities should have non-schools members from the early years sector and 14-19 partnerships?
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Comments: This should be achieved by way of strong advice not legislative action. The Schools Forum in Hampshire has always had two Early Years representatives. Consideration needs to be given to whether 14 to 19 Partnerships need voting rights as opposed to observer rights. The County Council retains its preference for the Executive Lead Member for Children's Services to be able to be a formal member of the Schools Forum. (Regulations have prohibited this since August 2006.) This membership reflects the considerable responsibilities which fall to the Lead Member and the important role of schools in the implementation of the Every Child Matters agenda. |
Page 49, para 142
22 Should we raise the current maximum proportion of non-schools members above 20%?
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Comments: Wider representation of the 14 to 19 and early years sectors is unachievable for many Forums within the current restrictions. However a maximum above 30% is likely to change the schools' focus. |
CHAPTER 4: FUNDING FOR SPECIALISED DIPLOMAS AT 14-16
Page 54, para 157
23 Do you agree that funding for specialised diplomas for 14-16 year olds should be through a specific formula grant?
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: In the short term (2008 - 2011) this is clearly necessary in order to establish partnership provision as an standard option at KS4. In the long term such funding should be within school budgets so that they can tailor the curriculum to the individual needs of each student through partnership with other institutions. It will be essential to local delivery for a simple, single and clear approach to the additional transport costs involved in 14 to 16 diplomas to be reflected in the specific grant arrangements.
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Page 57, para 170
24 Are the three models for distributing funding for specialised diplomas at 14-16 to the front line the right range of options?
Comments: Yes. They represent an appropriate range from total central control to total delegation with the option of compromise where funding is held centrally to which schools contribute in order to access tailored provision. |
Page 57, para 170
25 Do you agree that we should leave the choice of which option to local discretion?
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Comments: Progress on the implementation of the14-19 agenda varies considerably across the country and within local areas. The level of delegation will need to vary with the maturity of partnership working. In addition to this, large shire counties, such as Hampshire, have a responsibility to ensure entitlement across a large and diverse geographical area and need to be in a position to commission provision where it does not develop within partnerships. Local discretion is vital in using this funding to best effect. |
Page 60, para 176
26 Do you agree that the LSC funding methodology should be used as the basis of setting the cost of partnership provision to schools, with local discretion to reflect the varying costs of provision and funding levels received by schools?
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Comments: A methodology which is transparent and equitable is a vital component and 14-16 is an increasingly complex curriculum area. The LSC funding methodology is already in use and it, therefore, seems sensible to employ it in this way. Local discretion in relation to deprivation, rurality, transport and other factors is, however, important. |
CHAPTER 5: EARLY YEARS FUNDING
Page 68, para 207
27 Do you agree that local authorities should introduce a standardised method for calculating the unit of funding for early years provision in maintained and PVI settings for the coming CSR period?
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: We agree there should be a comparable level of funding in maintained and PVI settings, but creating a standardised method for calculating the unit of funding in maintained and PVI settings is complex and may not deliver better outcomes. To have it in place for the coming CSR period is impractical because the new entitlement will be rolling out through this period and will not be complete until 2010. Thus 2011 would be the appropriate date should it be implemented. Furthermore Year R pupils who have been formally admitted through the primary school admissions process need to be considered in the context of primary school funding more generally. Thus such standardisation should not include them. |
28 How long would it take local authorities to develop, consult on and implement such a standardised method?
Comments: At least two years. This is because the PVI sector is fragmented, volatile, less robust and many settings lack confidence and expertise in funding approaches. We believe that the changing nature of the entitlement makes 2011 the earliest sensible operational date. It is also noted, that special schools are not covered anywhere within the consultation . |
Page 69, para 209
29 Do you agree that local authorities should use the same methods to calculate pupil numbers in maintained and PVI settings for the coming CSR period?
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: We agree local authorities should aim towards using the same methods to calculate pupil numbers in maintained and PVI settings. Similar count methods may be needed and certainly different count dates can lead to double funding or no funding. To have it place for the coming CSR period is impractical because the new entitlement will be rolling out through this period and will not be complete until 2010. Again Year R pupils who have been formally admitted through the primary school admissions process need to be considered in the context of primary school funding more generally. Their count method has to relate properly to that for Years 1 to 6 as they are in the same establishments. |
Page 70, para 213
30 Do you agree that we should retain a single budget calculation point for early years provision in the maintained sector?
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Comments: This has to be true for Year R pupils. In the case of nursery school and unit pupils, flexibility at local level with the freedom to decide whether one or more dates is suitable is the better solution. |
Page 70, para 213
31 Which of the options at paragraph 211, a-c, or an alternative approach, would improve the alignment of the funding systems for PVI providers and maintained schools and be achievable within funding constraints?
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Places |
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Comments: Option (b) - termly estimates is the least preferred option. The guaranteed minimum option (c) is probably preferable to Option (a) as it is likely to reduce the risk of unfilled places. In any case to have it in place for the coming CSR period is impractical because the new entitlement will be rolling out through this period and will not be complete until 2010. |
Page 72, para 220
32 Would moving to a single formula for funding the free entitlement across maintained and PVI providers better enable local authorities to commission flexible provision?
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: Not necessarily. |
Page 72, para 220
33 If so, over what timescale would it be practical to implement such a formula?
Comments: Over two years but not until the new entitlement is fully in place in 2010. |
Page 73, para 223
34 We would welcome views on whether further changes or guidance are needed to develop this wider function of Schools Forums in relation to the Every Child Matters agenda.
Comments: Change and development are inevitable. Guidance based on successful local practice would be useful. |
Page 73, para 224
35 Would separately identifying funding for the early years entitlement help local authorities to ensure that the free entitlement is funded appropriately?
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Comments: There is a concern to secure greater transparency across the sectors. However any separate identification that included Year R funding is likely to confuse rather than clarify. The balance between sectors and dates of admission to primary school vary. This can probably be best achieved locally on the basis of case studies of good practice. |
CHAPTER 6: SPECIFIC GRANTS
Page 79, para 245
36 Do you agree that we should merge SSG and SSG (P) from 2008 09?
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: In principle we support the proposal to merge SSG and SSG(P). One basis for data and distribution will be easier to understand and manage for both schools and the local authority. However, we would be worried about individual schools losing out. Some schools acquired very anomalous SSG allocations when the move from banding occurred and we would not want them to be protected on figures which do not bear any relation to need. The transitional arrangements should be short and clear so that everybody knows the cost of transition and can model it for the three years 2008-2011.The funding for transition would have to come from the money already budgeted for SSG or elsewhere within the DfES budget as a top slice from main DSG would go counter to the clear government policy of the additionality of SSG. |
Page 79, para 245
37 In taking forward changes to the distribution of SDG over the period 2008-11, which method of transition would you prefer: (a) a cash (0%) floor; (b) a floor below 0%, to be set by DfES?
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Comments: We share the long term aim to merge SDG into DSG, but recognise that transition issues make it impossible in the short term. We welcome the wish to move SDG away from current historical basis to one which more closely reflects need. We support option (b) which would allow for greater local flexibility but would ensure no school lost more than a given amount of its 2007-08 SDG allocation by using a small negative floor. |
Page 79, para 247
38 Should make payments of specific grants to academies from the Department rather than through local authorities from 2008-09?
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Disagree |
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Strongly disagree |
Comments: Although the task may seem an administrative burden that is a price worth paying for a retention of the principle of local authority based school funding and comparability. This would be particularly important if moves to bring more grants into the main funding formula occur. |
39 Do you have any other comments about the consultation?
Comments: Notification of DSG In view of the fact that the DfES has already received it's SR 2007 control total, an early announcement of DSG by October is sought to enable authorities to prepare their schools three year budgets in a timely manner. Supported Borrowing The consultation fails to acknowledge the issues related to the removal of funding for supported borrowing. This funding issue needs to be resolved for this coming spending review period if full borrowing approvals for schools capital projects are to be taken up by local authorities. Options include: making a floor adjustment, allocation of a new capital grant or allowing future borrowing costs to be reflected in DSG. Three year budgets This consultation has not addressed some of the detail of producing three year budgets. For example will all three budget shares be required by the same deadline in the first year? Will complete Section 52 Statements (S52) for all three years be required in the first year? Hampshire would like to take this opportunity to express our worry about how realistic it is to produce three sets of detailed budget shares and three S52 statements by a 31 March deadline. We would like to suggest consider staggering the deadlines for the different years, so that whilst the 2008-09 budget shares and S52 should be published by 31 March 2008, there should be a delay in the deadline for the budget shares and S52 of the forward years. This would ease pressure on staff at what is already a very busy time and would enable us to be able to more realistically meet any deadlines set. Year R pupils The consultation seems to confuse the position of Year R pupils with other under fives. Single pupil count The consultation takes for granted the single pupil count. our experience indicates that this issue needs further examination. |
40 Please let us have your views on responding to this consultation. For instance did you have any difficulty understanding any of the questions and did you think we had the right number or type of questions?
Comments: As our comments above in 39 show we are not convinced that all the relevant questions were included. |
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